Regular Meeting
Town of Cary ·
Planning and Zoning Board
Monday, November 17, 2025 at 6:30 pm · Council Chambers, 316 N. Academy Street, Cary Town Hall, Cary, NC 27513
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What's on this agenda
Cary's planning and zoning board found a rezoning at 6708 Bandelier Lane consistent with the Imagine Cary community plan on November 17, but only 6-2. The two dissenting members wanted architectural and landscaping conditions to make the house match the single-storey homes around it in the historic district.
The applicant did not attend. The rezoning takes the site from Office/Research and Development to Residential 20 conditional use, allowing one detached dwelling.
Summarized from the published agenda. Read the agenda itself before acting on it.
Meeting recap
What happened, drawn from the records published after the meeting. Minutes Recording
The Planning and Zoning Board reviewed the only case on its agenda, a rezoning of a half-acre lot at 6708 Bandelier Lane from office research and development to Residential-20 conditional use for one detached home, inside the Carpenter Historic District. The applicant was not present. Staff said the proposed conditions, including a prohibition on vinyl siding and a pitched roof, were a better fit for the historic district than the current commercial zoning, though board members questioned whether the conditions were specific enough, noting the application did not require a front porch, a chimney, or a single-story building as seen on neighboring historic homes. The board found the case consistent with the comprehensive plan and forwarded it to the town council with a recommendation for approval, 6-2, with two members dissenting over the architectural conditions. The chair opened the meeting by noting it was not a public hearing and the public could not speak.
How the votes went
The board voted 6-2 to find the Bandelier Lane rezoning consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommend it to the town council. Two members voted no, citing insufficient architectural conditions for a site inside the Carpenter Historic District. The captions do not identify who moved or seconded, or which two members dissented.
From the published minutes.
What was said
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Read from the recording's automatic captions, which misrender names and numbers — "Kildaire" comes through as "kill dare". Treat a name or a figure here as a pointer to the video, not as the record. Members of the public are private residents and are not named or indexed.
Full transcript
Automatic captions from the recording, "Cary Planning & Zoning Board Meeting: November 17, 2025". Runs 21 min. These are machine transcriptions, not a court record. They misrender names and figures — "Kildaire" comes through as "kill dare", and case numbers arrive as noise. Each timestamp opens the video at that moment, which is how a passage here gets checked against what was said.
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Hey, hey, hey. Good evening and welcome to the planning and zoning board meeting. Thank you for joining us tonight. I call this meeting to order. Our board clerk, Julie Mitchell, will take roll call this evening.
Thank you, chair. This evening, I will call into the record who is present. We have Sal Camarada, Bosshanna Etton, Chris Johnson, Mike Rosselli, Shawn McAndrew, Diane Mayo, Ken George, and Ruben Moore. Thank you, Julie. The Kerry community plan will continue to be the guiding document for this board. Our role is to function as citizen adviserss to the council who will ultimately make the final decision on all resoning activity.
We recognize not all resoning requests are supported unanimously, but we strive to balance the impact of increased building density required to support Kerry's growth while maintaining the historic charm and character of Kerry. The community plan was initially adopted in 2017 following a collaborative effort between Kerry citizens and our town government. That collaboration has continued and resulted in a recently updated version of the plan adopted by council in January 2025. The chapters of the plan include live, work, shop, engage, shape, move, enrich, serve, and act. Community plan can be found on K's website. Your citizen opinions based on the Kerry community plan document play a very important role in advising our leaders. We encourage our citizens to refer to the plan and provide feedback that is based on the guiding principles of the plan as it relates to the zoning request. While this is a public meeting, it is not a public hearing. There is no opportunity for the public to speak during this meeting. If you have comments about any of these items, we encourage you to reach out to staff by email or phone. You may reach out to our board members through email. You may also contact council directly through email or during the public speaks out portion of any regularly scheduled council meeting. These meetings may be streamed live on K's website and will be will be posted to YouTube. All past planning and zoning board meetings are available to view on YouTube. At this time, we will adopt the agenda. Will someone make a motion to adopt the agenda?
So moved.
Second.
All those in favor state I.
I.
Any opposed? State nay. Eyes carry. Next, approval of the regular meeting minutes. Will someone make a motion to approve the October 27th, 2025 minutes?
So moved.
Second.
All those in favor state I.
I.
All those opposed, nay.
Eyes carry. Our only case in the agenda is 2501 6708 Bandelier Lane resoning. Katie Dry, assistant planning director, will share the staff's presentation. The applicant is in attend is not in attendance this evening and will not be providing additional comments. All board members will have an opportunity to ask questions of staff and the applicant following staff's presentation. Miss dry, you may proceed.
Good evening, chair and members of the planning and zoning board. This is a resoning request for an half anacre site located at 6708 Bandelier Lane. The property is located at the northwest uh corner of the intersection of Bandelier and Saunders Grove Lane. It's within Car's extr territorial jurisdiction and the site is currently vacant. The site is located within the historic carpenter special planning area which is shown here in red. It's also within the national register of historic places carpenter district which is shown in blue. The site does not contain any historic resources. According to Car's GIS data, a stream buffer may be located on the northern boundary of the site. Across the street from the subject property is the Kerryowned CF Frell store site. There is presently no funding for site improvements for this property. The soontobe adopted an updated parks, recreation, and cultural resources system plan shifts the greenway, which was originally shown along the site's Bandelier frontage, south along Car's property, and as a result, no greenway improvements are
expected along the site's frontage. Bandelier Lane is a local street adjacent to the property and the current zoning is office research and development or OARD. The applicant is requesting to reszone to residential 20 conditional use or R20CU. This would allow the site to be developed with one single detached dwelling. The Jordan Lake wershed protection overlay district will remain. Proposed zoning conditions include limiting the use to one detached dwelling and associated accessory uses, a prohibition on vinyl sighting, and as written, this condition would apply to all structures on the site. A traditional pitched roof line for the principal structure. Garage doors, whether in an attached or detached garage, would be to the side or rear of the principal structure, and only one driveway will be permitted and shall meet access management standards. Staff has evaluated the request against the Imagine Carry community plan. Our analysis starts with the historic Carpenter special planning area. The site lies within the crossroads village sub area where infill development is expected to be uh contextsensitive and compatible with his the historic setting. New development should transition appropriately to adjacent historic sites and use mass scale settings and density as well as architecture and landscaping that fit the area. The Crossroads Village is envisioned as having a mix of uses and housing that revives the vibrancy of the historic crossroads. The Carpenter Special Planning Area builds on the 2010 historic preservation
master plan. It emphasizes protecting car's historic resources and preserving historic context. To support these policies, the applicant has proposed architectural conditions to ensure the new home's building materials, roof line, and garage doors complement the historic character of the district. The 20ft roadway setback for R20 generally aligns with setbacks of existing historic properties fronting Vandelier Lane. For the move chapter, the applicant has committed to only one driveway to serve the site. Bandelier Lane has a 60-oot rideway which is sufficient for a local street. We note that without the resoning, development on the site would be permitted under the current OAD zoning which would allow for or which would require a development plan triggering LDO requirements like perimeter buffers, streetscapes, and sidewalks. If the reasoning is approved for a detached home, these elements will not be required by the home's building permit. But given the small halfacre size of the lot, a detached home is likely a better fit than a non-residential use. A neighborhood meeting was held in March of this year. There were no attendees. Uh there was one call prior to the public hearing. No concerns were expressed, just questions about the process. At the September Town Council public hearing, there were no speakers or written comments um and no questions or comments from council. And following the public hearing, there have not been any changes. [snorts] So this brings us to staff's preliminary finding. We note that policies in the carpenter special planning area and historic preservation master plan as well as the shape engage and move chapters of the imaginary community plan apply under the carpenter special planning area. historic preservation plan and as referenced in the engage chapter and shape chapter, the proposed detached dwelling and the accompanying architectural conditions may promote
compatibility with the adjacent historic structures and character of the Carpenter National Register historic district for the move chapter policies. Bandelier Lane provides an adequate ride ofway and a single driveway will meet carries and DOT standards. This concludes my presentation and uh the property owner is not in attendance but did also um indicate that they uh did not have anything further to indicate or to share with the the board um given the presentation tonight. So I'd be happy to answer any questions that you have on this case.
Thank you. Merry community plan is in place to guide development in Kerry. As you think about your questions, keep in mind how this proposed case fits or does not fit the community plan. When making a motion, it would be helpful to describe how you see your motion impacting the Kerry community plan. For example, with work, shape, or live chapters. While this is not a requirement, it would help town council understand how you think this case applies to the plan. Do any board members have any questions? Start with S.
Yeah, we just got one question. Um, does the fact that it's in a historic district not trigger any more, you know, requirements than the four zoning um conditions that were that were agreed to and listed in the plan?
Yeah. So, with this with this historic district, we have the adopted Kerry community plan, which you know describes kind of the nature of of the plan in the historic area. So, we typically do a review of that special planning area against what's proposed and they ended up offering the conditions that that that they did. Um, we do know that the conditions that have been offered and changing these to single family or single detached um is much closer to the historic district goals than than the
OAD zoning district that's currently there.
Thank you. question.
Um, one of the things that said associated accessory uses, um, I'm just thinking, you know, small, you know, accessory homes. What is what are the rules with that in general and what is
Yeah, good question. So, accessory uses could include um like an accessory dwelling unit or it could include um um adding a chicken coupe with a certain amount of chickens per the the land development ordinance. um beehive, you know, things like that. Um those are all allowable accessory uses for a single detached home. Um permitting is required with any of those. So, we would have to review them to make sure that in the case of [clears throat] chickens that they have a certain amount of chickens um and do not exceed that number and that the chicken coupe meets setbacks. Um and then with accessory dwelling units, we would also follow, you know, similar rules, making sure setbacks are met, all building codes, um and inspections are met as well.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Questions?
Um as far as the I think you read from the Kerry community plan about the architectural and landscaping in keeping with the this historic district. Um, and then are you saying that only no vinyl siding, a pitched roof and garage doors on the side or rear that's sufficient to is that is or is there because there's nothing or is it codified what those things architectural and landscaping mean at all?
Yeah. So the the conditions that were offered are a little more de little more detailed or expanded out than what we have on the screen here, but this is just a general summary of what was proposed. Um and in in general when looking at the other detached dwellings
in the area, this is generally in keeping with those. Um I would say the main component of the the Carpenter Historic District is that historic crossroads area, which is the stores that are associated with it. So, um the the detached dwellings um are a little more secondary to that and this is in keeping with some of the features that a lot of those um have.
So, I and I'm sorry I didn't was there anything about a a porch or anything on this?
Not with not no not with
Okay, that's all my questions.
I'm also asking questions about the architectural features. I noticed um there's uh three or four other buildings on the road. Uh they all are painted white. They're all singlestory. Um looks like that roof pitch is maybe one to one. Um there's at least two porches. They're varying depth on the different properties. Um is there a one-story requirement in here anywhere?
There is not a onestory um requirement currently.
All right. Thank you. I think the only question I had [snorts] was the staff findings on the policies that would apply historic master plan shape engage and move but live was kind of not noticeably absent and that's kind of the one I think of when I think of residential. Was there any particular reason why we didn't think live was supported or
Yeah. Um, so LIV is certainly one of the um one of the policies that apply um because it's one detached dwelling. I don't think it rose to the top um and it may have had like a higher you know higher um higher uh relevance if there was you know multiple but since it was just one um didn't necessarily raise to the top. I don't think there was any more um
reason than that as to why further analysis wasn't done.
Okay. All right. Would someone make a motion for 25REZ16708 Bandelier Lane Reszoning? Motions are provided on the screen for you and a printed copy has been provided. I move that the board find 25 rez01 consistent with the comprehensive plan and all other applicable plans for the reasons set forth in the staff report presentation and discussion by the planning and zoning board.
We have a second uh any discussion. Yeah, I I would like to say I I think without uh with the architecture and landscape, it bothers me. I think what you brought up too, I think it bothers me that there's no porch. I think it needs to fit. Probably needs a chimney. There's things that I would say that I I do not think it fits the it's just not enough there. So, I'm going to I'm not going to support it. And I appreciate what Ruben said. I think the single single half I live on a road that's got flat top roofs and they definitely don't fit. So, I'm glad it's got a a pitch roof, but with um it still could be ultra modern with a pitch roof and no front porch and big glass windows on the front, I don't think it would match. So, I'm I'm not without this architectural. I don't think it fits the community plan for architecture and landscaping.
Any other discussion? Mike, could I add one thing?
Um, I think what bothers me only about this as far as not having more specific requirements is that it is in a historic district.
Um, all right. Well, we will vote on the motion. All those in favor state I. I. I.
Any opposed, state nay. Nay.
Two nays. Eyes carry. At this time, unless there's any other business, we will adjourn. Thank you for participating in tonight's meeting. This meeting is adjourned.
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Agenda items (1)
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Speaker: Katie Drye, Planning and Development Services Executive Summary: The applicant requests Cary consider an amendment to its Official Zoning Map by rezoning approximately 0.51 acres at 6708 Bandelier Lane from Office/Research and Development (ORD) to Residential 20 Conditional Use (R-20-CU) with zoning conditions to limit the development to one detached dwelling unit and associated accessory uses. The Watershed Protection Overlay District (Jordan Lake subdistrict) will remain. Planning and Zoning Board Determination: The board will provide a written determination regarding consistency with the Imagine Cary Community Plan following its meeting.
- 6708 Bandelier Ln · Zou, Mulun an, Yan · 0.51 acres · assessed $151,957
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